walking_dude
10-08 02:31 PM
Please donate $5000 to IV and they'll make it their top-most agenda
/sarcasm off
Action item for IV, besides visa recapturing etc. Its one of the items they
should add to there agenda.
/sarcasm off
Action item for IV, besides visa recapturing etc. Its one of the items they
should add to there agenda.
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jgh_res
12-17 07:44 AM
Are you trying to be a legal immigrant????? GC is not your right and you are here by choice.
Gym, yoga, work, birds - these things are just escape from reality. The reality is pretty grim. Imagine a new wanna be immigrant. He/she has basically two choices:
1. Ask for asylum, come up with some story, try to get interview passed. If works - then that's it. If not, ask judge for work permit (usually they grant). And go through hearings, appeals, etc. etc. - takes total 5 years. Meanwhile, work whenever you want. make money, find a girl (or a guy for girls), marry - get your GC. At worst case scenario - you get caught, put on deportation, you cash your credit cards - and leave with $200k in your pocket. So, at worst - you get deported - which is fair.
2. You read the law, you see that your only legal option is EB and you spend 6-8 years going through H1/LC/140/485, etc. Lose money, pay lawyers, pay taxes, miss opportunities. Even after you get GC, some douche bag IO might have a bad day, review your LC/140 and revoke it at any time until you get citizenship for some little reason. Even citizenship may be revoked because of "fraud". How many of you have LC done completely honestly, with interviewing all candidates and stuff like that? Meanwhile, if your company/lawyer screwed something up - you get deported, and you lost 10 best years of your life for nothing. In best case scenario, you get GC - which is fair.
So in 1st case we have fair-win situation, in second - lose-fair. So, can anybody give me ONE reason why we chose 2nd way? Please don't start with "good karma" and things like that. But for real? What is that? What message USCIS is sending us? America is a country of law or a country of criminal opportunists?
To me personally, this immigration thing is just a matter of principle, I'm not leaving without GC, period. I'm ready to have any of my stuff revoked, I'm ready for court battles - at the end I will marry a citizen. Reason? I don't wanna feel being a loser.
Gym, yoga, work, birds - these things are just escape from reality. The reality is pretty grim. Imagine a new wanna be immigrant. He/she has basically two choices:
1. Ask for asylum, come up with some story, try to get interview passed. If works - then that's it. If not, ask judge for work permit (usually they grant). And go through hearings, appeals, etc. etc. - takes total 5 years. Meanwhile, work whenever you want. make money, find a girl (or a guy for girls), marry - get your GC. At worst case scenario - you get caught, put on deportation, you cash your credit cards - and leave with $200k in your pocket. So, at worst - you get deported - which is fair.
2. You read the law, you see that your only legal option is EB and you spend 6-8 years going through H1/LC/140/485, etc. Lose money, pay lawyers, pay taxes, miss opportunities. Even after you get GC, some douche bag IO might have a bad day, review your LC/140 and revoke it at any time until you get citizenship for some little reason. Even citizenship may be revoked because of "fraud". How many of you have LC done completely honestly, with interviewing all candidates and stuff like that? Meanwhile, if your company/lawyer screwed something up - you get deported, and you lost 10 best years of your life for nothing. In best case scenario, you get GC - which is fair.
So in 1st case we have fair-win situation, in second - lose-fair. So, can anybody give me ONE reason why we chose 2nd way? Please don't start with "good karma" and things like that. But for real? What is that? What message USCIS is sending us? America is a country of law or a country of criminal opportunists?
To me personally, this immigration thing is just a matter of principle, I'm not leaving without GC, period. I'm ready to have any of my stuff revoked, I'm ready for court battles - at the end I will marry a citizen. Reason? I don't wanna feel being a loser.
narendra_modi
02-09 11:54 PM
Really? Narendra Modi is great? And thats why he has been banned from visiting USA...WOW
hahaha...who said that..I am here with you sitting with you guys - in the heart of capital of the world ....I don't need any entry permit ....And in India, no body can dare me even touch to me..they know the consequences ....Sooner or later you will see me in New Delhi's PM chair..believe it or not ..Let them indict me in Godhara & post Godhara & world will remember that day as a turning point of Indian politics !!!
hahaha...who said that..I am here with you sitting with you guys - in the heart of capital of the world ....I don't need any entry permit ....And in India, no body can dare me even touch to me..they know the consequences ....Sooner or later you will see me in New Delhi's PM chair..believe it or not ..Let them indict me in Godhara & post Godhara & world will remember that day as a turning point of Indian politics !!!
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chanduv23
02-17 02:27 PM
agree, it cannot be really changed by us. even if people willingly try to achieve a new mindset with positive programming, it takes months to achieve.
Guess we have to work with what we have. There may be a solution, but only people with a similar mindset can come up with it.
People discuss superbowl, cricket, food, movies, schools, everything, people discuss about their 140, 485 , ead etc... everyone knows there is a problem but pretend as if there is no problem and it is just a part of life.
Sometime back on IV the motivation levels was different. We did have a sizable crowd during the 2007 rally in DC. We did have 200+ people doing advocacy work.
I hope people come forward again.
Looks like we lack people with good leadership qualities on IV now especially a lot of IV members are not active anymore and guess it is just slow.
Guess we have to work with what we have. There may be a solution, but only people with a similar mindset can come up with it.
People discuss superbowl, cricket, food, movies, schools, everything, people discuss about their 140, 485 , ead etc... everyone knows there is a problem but pretend as if there is no problem and it is just a part of life.
Sometime back on IV the motivation levels was different. We did have a sizable crowd during the 2007 rally in DC. We did have 200+ people doing advocacy work.
I hope people come forward again.
Looks like we lack people with good leadership qualities on IV now especially a lot of IV members are not active anymore and guess it is just slow.
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buddyinsd
08-25 04:38 PM
Not sure if its a BREAK or no Visa numbers...
There were a couple of approvals today from TSC by looking at the other site.But slowed down a lot. Maybe USCIS is taking a break this last week and preparing for the next month:)
There were a couple of approvals today from TSC by looking at the other site.But slowed down a lot. Maybe USCIS is taking a break this last week and preparing for the next month:)
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07-20 09:24 AM
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conchshell
07-11 11:17 AM
With a successful flower campaign to USCIS, we must draw our conclusions from this success, and use the outcome to make the San Jose rally a success.
Please note that legal immigrants is a small handful set of people. Just a usual rally/demonstration will not make a dramatic impact. We have learned from the flower campaign that if we use innovative-peaceful ways of demonstrations, and manage Public Relations and Media well, we can be successful once again.
Please think and try to come up with some ideas. I have come up with these four ideas:
1. Project Martin Luther King Jr. as our hero in these rallies: Please understand that local Amrican people better understand about Martin Luther King Jr. andhis idealogy then M.K. Gandhi. My suggestion is that we should include large picture posters of Martin Luther King Jr. with a slogan "We legals too have a dream". We should also take Gandhi's posters. There is a possibility that all Black American organization may lend their support to us.
2. An act that attracts media attention: Please remember the scene from Gandhi movie when protesters led by Gandhi peacefully burned their resident permits in South Africa. To do something similar and show our symbolic protest against USCIS, we can publically burn a Photocopy of our H1B approvals (I-797). Please note that we are not asking people to burn the original I-797 approval but a photocopy of the document. This will send a message that taking the great pain in obtaining these legal documents are not helping us getting a better treatment by USCIS. This act will perfectly portrey the pain of legal immigrants and once again will attract media and newsprint to keeps us in headlines. This should be part of our demonstrations.
3. Waive American Flags: Please understand that recent media reports that only Indians are responsible for the flower campaign may hurt the campaign in the longer term. Please waive small American flags and show our solidarity with local Americans.
4. Distrubute a flower with a pamphlet to the people passing by at the demonstration site. A well worded paper will be required that can project our problems to the people.
Please share if you come up with innovative ideas to make these rallies a huge success.
Please note that legal immigrants is a small handful set of people. Just a usual rally/demonstration will not make a dramatic impact. We have learned from the flower campaign that if we use innovative-peaceful ways of demonstrations, and manage Public Relations and Media well, we can be successful once again.
Please think and try to come up with some ideas. I have come up with these four ideas:
1. Project Martin Luther King Jr. as our hero in these rallies: Please understand that local Amrican people better understand about Martin Luther King Jr. andhis idealogy then M.K. Gandhi. My suggestion is that we should include large picture posters of Martin Luther King Jr. with a slogan "We legals too have a dream". We should also take Gandhi's posters. There is a possibility that all Black American organization may lend their support to us.
2. An act that attracts media attention: Please remember the scene from Gandhi movie when protesters led by Gandhi peacefully burned their resident permits in South Africa. To do something similar and show our symbolic protest against USCIS, we can publically burn a Photocopy of our H1B approvals (I-797). Please note that we are not asking people to burn the original I-797 approval but a photocopy of the document. This will send a message that taking the great pain in obtaining these legal documents are not helping us getting a better treatment by USCIS. This act will perfectly portrey the pain of legal immigrants and once again will attract media and newsprint to keeps us in headlines. This should be part of our demonstrations.
3. Waive American Flags: Please understand that recent media reports that only Indians are responsible for the flower campaign may hurt the campaign in the longer term. Please waive small American flags and show our solidarity with local Americans.
4. Distrubute a flower with a pamphlet to the people passing by at the demonstration site. A well worded paper will be required that can project our problems to the people.
Please share if you come up with innovative ideas to make these rallies a huge success.
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bkarnik
05-05 11:13 AM
In continuation of the post from Nenneo, I had the chance to see Newt Gingrich, ex-speaker of the house and who is currently testing the waters for a possible 2008 Pres. nomination from the GOP. His response, I think, speaks volumes about the type of people the GOP would like to see here.
He indicated that he is totally against illegal immigration and pro legal immigration. But, when it came to students who were pursuing higher education in the US, according to Newt, "is a no-brainer, we get them here, we train and teach them, it does not make sense to let them go. These students should be given a visa as soon as they find a job, as long as they have not committed any felony and especially since the students have been in the US for 2+years it is sufficient time to get to know them and their backgrounds and for them to be assimilated in the US way of life."
My 2-cents to clarify the thinking behind giving more preference to US educated students vs non-US educated ones. This coming from a senior GOP leader.
He indicated that he is totally against illegal immigration and pro legal immigration. But, when it came to students who were pursuing higher education in the US, according to Newt, "is a no-brainer, we get them here, we train and teach them, it does not make sense to let them go. These students should be given a visa as soon as they find a job, as long as they have not committed any felony and especially since the students have been in the US for 2+years it is sufficient time to get to know them and their backgrounds and for them to be assimilated in the US way of life."
My 2-cents to clarify the thinking behind giving more preference to US educated students vs non-US educated ones. This coming from a senior GOP leader.
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CADude
08-18 06:54 PM
Your check should be cleared by now, if you have given yours or check with Attorney.
Please call USCIS Customer Service and ask for clarification.
LUD on 08/05/07
Other details are in signature.
Please call USCIS Customer Service and ask for clarification.
LUD on 08/05/07
Other details are in signature.
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geevikram
07-20 02:46 PM
Correct me If I am wrong
out of 45K members let's assume 22.5 K are EB2 and 22.5 K are EB3.
Even If 11.25K (EB2)+11.25K (EB3) = 22.5 K (Total) contributes $25 Each Problems gets solved ... but the catch is ....
Even 11.25 K EB2 members are not contributing because they don't have to as their problem is solved
Even 11.25 K EB3 members are not contributing because they are not sure even with this contribution their problems gets solved.
Many people are saying that EB3 members are not contributing that's why you are lagging etc...
EB3 Members who contributed are feeling the pain because even after contribution they are not getting the results and EB2 members who didn't contributed are getting the results...
JavaDeveloper,
Let's assume EB3 at 11.25K. They all know that their are royally screwed unless there is legislative action. So, I would expect 11.25 K EB3 to be at the front of this funding drive. Let's face it EB2 will likely become current sometime in 2012 (per Q and Teddy in other thread), no one is ever predicting this to happen for EB3 barring law change. IF you are in such a big hole, you will have to come forward and work for yourself. We want others to work for us and solve our problems. That is my issue here. With 11.25 K EB3 members we would have still collected quarter million bucks.(@ 25$/person) If EB3-I does not care for itself, why would anybody else give a damn? (PS : I did contribute for the drive as I want everybody's issues with respect to GC resolved, not just mine)
So, the original post still stands true.
out of 45K members let's assume 22.5 K are EB2 and 22.5 K are EB3.
Even If 11.25K (EB2)+11.25K (EB3) = 22.5 K (Total) contributes $25 Each Problems gets solved ... but the catch is ....
Even 11.25 K EB2 members are not contributing because they don't have to as their problem is solved
Even 11.25 K EB3 members are not contributing because they are not sure even with this contribution their problems gets solved.
Many people are saying that EB3 members are not contributing that's why you are lagging etc...
EB3 Members who contributed are feeling the pain because even after contribution they are not getting the results and EB2 members who didn't contributed are getting the results...
JavaDeveloper,
Let's assume EB3 at 11.25K. They all know that their are royally screwed unless there is legislative action. So, I would expect 11.25 K EB3 to be at the front of this funding drive. Let's face it EB2 will likely become current sometime in 2012 (per Q and Teddy in other thread), no one is ever predicting this to happen for EB3 barring law change. IF you are in such a big hole, you will have to come forward and work for yourself. We want others to work for us and solve our problems. That is my issue here. With 11.25 K EB3 members we would have still collected quarter million bucks.(@ 25$/person) If EB3-I does not care for itself, why would anybody else give a damn? (PS : I did contribute for the drive as I want everybody's issues with respect to GC resolved, not just mine)
So, the original post still stands true.
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GCapplicant
03-28 12:24 PM
Yep, I want to predict what USCIS may do,,, not what I want USCIS to do :)
The priority dates or per country limit does not matter for USCIS right now. My prediction is USCIS currently must be working on the following reconciliations in order to avoid duplicating visa numbers and wasting visa numbers. Unless USCIS have the correct number of visa requirements, the dates will not move forward.
Reconciliations
1. Converted or converting cases from EB3 to EB2
2. Two Sets of applications from the same family ( Husband and Wife)
3. I-140 from multiple employer for the same applicant (Both Hunsband and wife).
4. Two different Alien numbers.
5. The cases stuck in the name check and realased becaues of 180 days memo
Once everything is sorted out...its going to be one click away for USCIS to adjusdicate the cases. If DOS moves the dates before USCIS sorting out the above, they are inviting a law suits or Mandamus writ due to outside of processing time. Now USCIS is having breathing time by keeping the priority date backward. Probably, after all the reconciliations, unused visa numbers may be recaptured
The above is my assumption for visa dates are not moving forward.
The priority dates or per country limit does not matter for USCIS right now. My prediction is USCIS currently must be working on the following reconciliations in order to avoid duplicating visa numbers and wasting visa numbers. Unless USCIS have the correct number of visa requirements, the dates will not move forward.
Reconciliations
1. Converted or converting cases from EB3 to EB2
2. Two Sets of applications from the same family ( Husband and Wife)
3. I-140 from multiple employer for the same applicant (Both Hunsband and wife).
4. Two different Alien numbers.
5. The cases stuck in the name check and realased becaues of 180 days memo
Once everything is sorted out...its going to be one click away for USCIS to adjusdicate the cases. If DOS moves the dates before USCIS sorting out the above, they are inviting a law suits or Mandamus writ due to outside of processing time. Now USCIS is having breathing time by keeping the priority date backward. Probably, after all the reconciliations, unused visa numbers may be recaptured
The above is my assumption for visa dates are not moving forward.
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rpulipati
10-08 01:01 PM
PD should be established on the first labor application.
I feel this is more practical than number of years in US.
I feel this is more practical than number of years in US.
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akhilmahajan
02-25 03:52 PM
Thanks for your insight and observation.
Do you believe in what IV is doing?
If Yes, i will really appreciate if you can contribute and help us in any way. This is an organisation run by people like me and you, who have full time jobs and have families also. If we all can take out some time out of our busy lives and try to help IV, then everyone will know about IV.
When we say we need to convince people, which is ridiculous, as i am 100% sure, everybody knows whats going on. We all are suffering and are here fort he long haul. If still people dont want to do anything, then no one can help us.
So, Thanks a lot for your insight and help IV to help yourself.
GO IV GO. TOGETHER WE CAN.
Lack of convincing power that IV will do something. Lack of trust in IV organization. Lack of advertisements. lack of communication.
How do successful organizations ask people to donate money? There is something to be learned. If the cause is right (we all know it is) then its a matter of delivering this message that will get people convinced. Lot of charities get donations. How? I think that is what we need to learn. Most desis are not even aware about this organization. I bumped into it via google search for my immigration answer. So lets throw some ideas around for better advertisements.
Do you believe in what IV is doing?
If Yes, i will really appreciate if you can contribute and help us in any way. This is an organisation run by people like me and you, who have full time jobs and have families also. If we all can take out some time out of our busy lives and try to help IV, then everyone will know about IV.
When we say we need to convince people, which is ridiculous, as i am 100% sure, everybody knows whats going on. We all are suffering and are here fort he long haul. If still people dont want to do anything, then no one can help us.
So, Thanks a lot for your insight and help IV to help yourself.
GO IV GO. TOGETHER WE CAN.
Lack of convincing power that IV will do something. Lack of trust in IV organization. Lack of advertisements. lack of communication.
How do successful organizations ask people to donate money? There is something to be learned. If the cause is right (we all know it is) then its a matter of delivering this message that will get people convinced. Lot of charities get donations. How? I think that is what we need to learn. Most desis are not even aware about this organization. I bumped into it via google search for my immigration answer. So lets throw some ideas around for better advertisements.
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narendery
08-18 12:18 PM
My husband also got welcome e-mail mentioning about ADIT processing but when he received his card there was no information regarding ADIT processing, should we do anything about it? We have no clue, please help!!!
Thanks,
Mita
When did you receive email and when did you receive your card ?
Thanks,
Mita
When did you receive email and when did you receive your card ?
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diptam
06-22 01:39 PM
I have a electronic mail from them with the 140 receipt Notice (as PDF)
from USCIS.. I took the LIN number from there and Queries USCIS - they says USCIS received my App on May 15th and under processing....
I took a Print out of that 140 receipt Notice and will attach with 485 Application... My approval will not come before Jan-Feb 2008.
But don't you need copy of 140 also?
Canda is not the only option.You can tell them that u r resigning.In that case u might not win but atleast he will loose everything.So might be he will ready.
from USCIS.. I took the LIN number from there and Queries USCIS - they says USCIS received my App on May 15th and under processing....
I took a Print out of that 140 receipt Notice and will attach with 485 Application... My approval will not come before Jan-Feb 2008.
But don't you need copy of 140 also?
Canda is not the only option.You can tell them that u r resigning.In that case u might not win but atleast he will loose everything.So might be he will ready.
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joeshmoe
06-05 10:11 AM
Is there premium for I485?
I am not a lawyer but as far as I know there is no Premium for 485. They mentioned they will want to do it at some point in the future but it is not yet available for this application.
I am not a lawyer but as far as I know there is no Premium for 485. They mentioned they will want to do it at some point in the future but it is not yet available for this application.
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gc_aspirant_prasad
07-09 08:57 AM
Guys, is there a nice write up that a staff reporter could use directly ? I am on the phone with local reporter here & she needs something 100 words or so quickly. Pls help.
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tikka
05-23 11:17 AM
I feel Faxing 1 page document with the critical issues will have more impact in addition to the emails .
Can some body send the template for faxes and link to webfax also. I email 10 senate members until now
can you share the email id's please. someone on the forum was looking for the emails.
thanks
Can some body send the template for faxes and link to webfax also. I email 10 senate members until now
can you share the email id's please. someone on the forum was looking for the emails.
thanks
senthil1
07-26 01:34 PM
There is not much use for just fighting EB3-I. You can send a letter or lobbey and they will hear it. Thats all. There are so much discrepancies in immigration policy of USA(The impact is for just for potential immigrants not for the country) I do not think they will spend time to resolve each and every small discrepancy. There are more more severe issues in the country than resolving EB3-I. Of course that is a big issue for those who are impacted.
But the problem will be automatically resolved if STEM/and or Recapture bill is passed. That is a big picture and that will get more attention than just lobbying for EB3-I.
EB3-I 's best chance in the current context , in the order of faster results,
1. Port to EB2 , If possible
2. Lobby to change spill over distribution. USCIS has been inconsistent over the years. So we need to lobby hard and impress upon them that this year distribution algorithm is unfair .who knows it can change again next year , this time a more balanced one ..
3. Recapture effort: This is a big one and we need to support carry out the tasks assigned by IV and other biggies .
IMO, No genuinely concerned fellow mate should advise EB3-I's to support only recapture effort.
But the problem will be automatically resolved if STEM/and or Recapture bill is passed. That is a big picture and that will get more attention than just lobbying for EB3-I.
EB3-I 's best chance in the current context , in the order of faster results,
1. Port to EB2 , If possible
2. Lobby to change spill over distribution. USCIS has been inconsistent over the years. So we need to lobby hard and impress upon them that this year distribution algorithm is unfair .who knows it can change again next year , this time a more balanced one ..
3. Recapture effort: This is a big one and we need to support carry out the tasks assigned by IV and other biggies .
IMO, No genuinely concerned fellow mate should advise EB3-I's to support only recapture effort.
gjoe
10-08 05:12 PM
No one is saying people are cutting the line. Most of us are saying USCIS is not processing cases on FIFO. Either you don't know the fact that USCIS approves cases in whatever order they are doing now or you are just pretending to be ignorant of the fact.
I don't know for whatever reason you don't see the fact what people are talking about here, but I don't blame you. If what people want here doesn't suit our case we may not like it. But please, just trying to beat around the bush is not going to help anyone here for that matter not just me alone.
You suggestion of sending flowers seems like that is the only solution to all the problems. I would say the reversal of the July 2 visa bulletine didn't just happen because of the flowers the members sent, the law suit AILA wanted to file against USCIS was one of the major reason apart from the California's Lawmakers letter. So please don't try to cut peoples idea by trying to belittle them, if you don't agree with them it is ok, if everyone agreed on the same thing life will be so dull.
gjoe/and others,
No one's trying to cut the line here. If there's any, it's purely procedural and has nothing to do with 'Ending Retrogression'. With or without retrogression someone might get an RFE, get stuck in namecheck etc. Ending retrogression provides earlier PDs better chances of getting GC faster (if dates are 'C' you get it the month you clear RFE, Name check etc.)
Just posting here isn't helping you cause. Instead you guys can get together and start sending flowers to USCIS director requesting him to publish the complete list of GC applications approved every year. It's the first step in enforcing FIFO. Right now there is no such list and no way of knowing who got their GC out of turn. And while you guys are at it also send some flowers to FBI to clear Namechecks FIFO, to DOL to approve PERM petitions FIFO etc.
Go spend those $50 at Flowers.com folks. Start writing to Senators, collect money, do the lobbying etc. Who's stopping you?
Or do you want logiclife, pappu and rest of the IV core to do it PRO BONO for you?
I don't know for whatever reason you don't see the fact what people are talking about here, but I don't blame you. If what people want here doesn't suit our case we may not like it. But please, just trying to beat around the bush is not going to help anyone here for that matter not just me alone.
You suggestion of sending flowers seems like that is the only solution to all the problems. I would say the reversal of the July 2 visa bulletine didn't just happen because of the flowers the members sent, the law suit AILA wanted to file against USCIS was one of the major reason apart from the California's Lawmakers letter. So please don't try to cut peoples idea by trying to belittle them, if you don't agree with them it is ok, if everyone agreed on the same thing life will be so dull.
gjoe/and others,
No one's trying to cut the line here. If there's any, it's purely procedural and has nothing to do with 'Ending Retrogression'. With or without retrogression someone might get an RFE, get stuck in namecheck etc. Ending retrogression provides earlier PDs better chances of getting GC faster (if dates are 'C' you get it the month you clear RFE, Name check etc.)
Just posting here isn't helping you cause. Instead you guys can get together and start sending flowers to USCIS director requesting him to publish the complete list of GC applications approved every year. It's the first step in enforcing FIFO. Right now there is no such list and no way of knowing who got their GC out of turn. And while you guys are at it also send some flowers to FBI to clear Namechecks FIFO, to DOL to approve PERM petitions FIFO etc.
Go spend those $50 at Flowers.com folks. Start writing to Senators, collect money, do the lobbying etc. Who's stopping you?
Or do you want logiclife, pappu and rest of the IV core to do it PRO BONO for you?
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